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[edit add 12-5-22] Yet another study on long term natural immunity (this doesn't even address T-Cell immunity):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36436751/ [end edit]

[edit add 11-7-21 (adjusted number up 12-5-22)] 151 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted
By Paul Elias Alexander   October 17, 2021
https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-naturally-acquired-immunity-to-covid-19-documented-linked-and-quoted/
In comparison to the single bogus CDC study? "Top Doctor Says New CDC Study on Natural Immunity Is 'Highly Flawed'
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/02/top-doctor-says-new-cdc-study-on-natural-immunity-is-highly-flawed-n2598429 [end edit]

So why are those that traffic in disharmony only dividing Americans into two groups? Those that took the jab and those that didn't. Why no mention of the third group - which is a very large group - of those that have T-cell immunity including those that came down with COVID-19 and developed a robust and broad spectrum natural immunity to the virus, for whom the vaccine can "...offer no opportunity for benefit, it can only offer harm..."?

[edit add 7-30-21] Before volunteering to be a subject in a massive trial of an unapproved, experimental, genetically engineered, chemically enhanced, biological agent and entered into the Pharmaco-Vigilance Tracking System operated by Google and Oracle, everyone should be checked for antibodies or better still T-cell immunity to COVID-19, since natural immunity is far superior to the narrowly focused experimental agents that Big Pharma is peddling. [end edit]

According to highly esteemed and heavily published (over 600 peer reviewed published papers to his credit) Dr. Peter McCullough (he goes through a few of his credentials at the beginning of the video), when he addressed the Texas Senate on March 10, 2021 (at the 11:50 video mark):
 
"Think about it as we sit here today, the calculations in Texas on herd immunity. The calculations are we're at 80% herd immunity right now, with no vaccine effect. 80%. And more people are developing COVID today. They're going to become immune. People that develop COVID have complete and durable immunity. A very important principle. Complete and durable. You can't beat natural immunity. You can't vaccinate on top of it and make it better. There's no scientific, clinical or safety rationale for ever vaccinating a COVID recovered patient."
"People under 50 who fundamentally have no health risks ... there's no scientific rational for them to ever become vaccinated. There's no scientific rationale."






26:05 minute mark in the following video: ".....I'm very certain, for the vast majority of us no matter what variant or strain we've had, it's one infection per person and then we're done with it. And that the clinical syndrome yields durable complete immunity, and that can't be improved upon, and under no circumstances should a COVID recovered patient undergo vaccination. Because it can offer no opportunity for benefit, it can only offer harm, these patients were strictly excluded from the clinical trials by the U.S. FDA and the manufacturers and it should not happen. This is a very, very important message. COVID recovered patients under no circumstances should undergo vaccination."


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[Added 6-11-21 "Cleveland Clinic’s latest study shows that there is no reason to vaccinate those who have already had Covid19.

The study shows that people with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection receive no additional benefits from the vaccine, and vaccinating those individuals is unnecessary.

According to News-medical.net,

The analysis of cumulative COVID-19 incidence revealed that during the course of the study, SARS-CoV-2 infection occurred almost exclusively in participants who were not previously infected and were not vaccinated.

Interestingly, no significant difference in COVID-19 incidence was observed between previously infected and currently unvaccinated participants, previously infected and currently vaccinated participants, and previously uninfected and currently vaccinated participants.

The participants from these three groups exhibited a significantly lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection compared to previously uninfected and currently unvaccinated participants.

Specifically, of all infections during the study period, 99.3% occurred in participants who were not infected previously and remained unvaccinated. In contrast, only 0.7% of infections occurred in participants who were not previously infected but were currently vaccinated.

Importantly, not a single incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection was observed in previously infected participants with or without vaccination."
https://100percentfedup.com/finally-someone-tells-fauci-no-there-is-no-need-to-vaccinate-the-naturally-immune/

"Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines."
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/
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".....data on the efficacy of natural immunity against reinfection. A recent study of 6.3 million Israelis showed that the estimated protection for those already infected was 94.8% from reinfection and 96.4% from severe illness, as compared to effectiveness of 92.8% and 94.4%, respectively, from the vaccines. There was just one death in the entire country from someone who supposedly already had the virus, and he was over 80 years old."
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"Dr. Harvey A. Risch and Dr. Peter McCullough with Laura Ingraham explaining the risks of the COVID shots to those who already have immunity, and to pregnant women."

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pT0b3jP57LaY/
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931312821002389

"SARS-CoV-2 Human T cell Epitopes: adaptive immune response against COVID-19."

"Finally,  the  fact  that  already  more  than  1400  epitopes  have  been  identified,  also considering that many HLA alleles and regions of the SARS CoV2 proteome are relatively less studied, highlights that a large breadth of epitopes are recognized in human populations, making it unlikely that SARS CoV2 variants might escape T cell recognition at the population level."

So why risk ruining that natural immunity with a chemical/biological, synthetic, unapproved, untested over time, injection?
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"Researchers find long-lived immunity to 1918 pandemic virus"

"The people recruited for the study were 2 to 12 years old in 1918 and many recalled sick family members in their households, which suggests they were directly exposed to the virus, the authors report. The group found that 100% of the subjects had serum-neutralizing activity against the 1918 virus and 94% showed serologic reactivity to the 1918 hemagglutinin."

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2008/08/researchers-find-long-lived-immunity-1918-pandemic-virus
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While.....

"WHO Deletes Naturally Acquired Immunity from Its Website
Jeffrey A. Tucker – December 23, 2020

Maybe you have some sense that something fishy is going on? Same. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

Coronavirus lived on surfaces until it didn’t. Masks didn’t work until they did, then they did not. There is asymptomatic transmission, except there isn’t. Lockdowns work to control the virus except they do not. All these people are sick without symptoms until, whoops, PCR tests are wildly inaccurate because they were never intended to be diagnostic tools. Everyone is in danger of the virus except they aren’t. It spreads in schools except it doesn’t.

On it goes. Daily. It’s no wonder that so many people have stopped believing anything that “public health authorities” say. In combination with governors and other autocrats doing their bidding, they set out to take away freedom and human rights and expected us to thank them for saving our lives. At some point this year (for me it was March 12) life began feeling like a dystopian novel of your choice.

Well, now I have another piece of evidence to add to the mile-high pile of fishy mess. The World Health Organization, for reasons unknown, has suddenly changed its definition of a core conception of immunology: herd immunity. Its discovery was one of the major achievements of 20th century science, gradually emerging in the 1920s and then becoming ever more refined throughout the 20th century.

Herd immunity is a fascinating observation that you can trace to biological reality or statistical probability theory, whichever you prefer. (It is certainly not a “strategy” so ignore any media source that describes it that way.) Herd immunity speaks directly, and with explanatory power, to the empirical observation that respiratory viruses are either widespread and mostly mild (common cold) or very severe and short-lived (SARS-CoV-1).

Why is this? The reason is that when a virus kills its host – that is, when a virus overtaxes the body’s ability to integrate it, its host dies and so the virus does not spread to others. The more this occurs, the less it spreads. If the virus doesn’t kill its host, it can hop to others through all the usual means. When you get a virus and fight it off, your immune system encodes that information in a way that builds immunity to it. When it happens to enough people (and each case is different so we can’t put a clear number on it, especially given so many cross immunities) the virus loses its pandemic quality and becomes endemic, which is to say predictable and manageable. Each new generation incorporates that information through more exposure.

This is what one would call Virology/Immunology 101. It’s what you read in every textbook. It’s been taught in 9th grade cell biology for probably 80 years. Observing the operations of this evolutionary phenomenon is pretty wonderful because it increases one’s respect for the way in which human biology has adapted to the presence of pathogens without absolutely freaking out.

And the discovery of this fascinating dynamic in cell biology is a major reason why public health became so smart in the 20th century. We kept calm. We managed viruses with medical professionals: doctor/patient relationships. We avoided the Medieval tendency to run around with hair on fire but rather used rationality and intelligence. Even the New York Times recognizes that natural immunity is powerful with Covid-19, which is not in the least bit surprising.

Until one day, this strange institution called the World Health Organization – once glorious because it was mainly responsible for the eradication of smallpox – has suddenly decided to delete everything I just wrote from cell biology basics. It has literally changed the science in a Soviet-like way. It has removed with the delete key any mention of natural immunities from its website. It has taken the additional step of actually mischaracterizing the structure and functioning of vaccines.

So that you will believe me, I will try to be as precise as possible. Here is the website from June 9, 2020. You can see it here on Archive.org. You have to move down the page and click on the question about herd immunity. You see the following.



That’s pretty darn accurate overall. Even the statement that the threshold is “not yet clear” is correct. There are cross immunities to Covid from other coronaviruses and there is T cell memory that contributes to natural immunity.

Some estimates are as low as 10%, which is a far cry from the modelled 70% estimate of virus immunity that is standard within the pharmaceutical realm. Real life is vastly more complicated than models, in economics or epidemiology. The WHO’s past statement is a solid, if “pop,” description.

However, in a screenshot dated November 13, 2020, we read the following note that somehow pretends as if human beings do not have immune systems at all but rather rely entirely on big pharma to inject things into our blood.



What this note at the World Health Organization has done is deleted what amounts to the entire million-year history of humankind in its delicate dance with pathogens. You could only gather from this that all of us are nothing but blank and unimprovable slates on which the pharmaceutical industry writes its signature.

In effect, this change at WHO ignores and even wipes out 100 years of medical advances in virology, immunology, and epidemiology. It is thoroughly unscientific – shilling for the vaccine industry in exactly the way the conspiracy theorists say that WHO has been doing since the beginning of this pandemic.

What’s even more strange is the claim that a vaccine protects people from a virus rather than exposing them to it. What’s amazing about this claim is that a vaccine works precisely by firing up the immune system through exposure. Why I had to type those words is truly beyond me. This has been known for centuries. There is simply no way for medical science completely to replace the human immune system. It can only game it via what used to be called inoculation.

Take from this what you will. It is a sign of the times. For nearly a full year, the media has been telling us that “science” requires that we comply with their dictates that run contrary to every tenet of liberalism, every expectation we’ve developed in the modern world that we can live freely and with the certainty of rights. Then “science” took over and our human rights were slammed. And now the “science” is actually deleting its own history, airbrushing over what it used to know and replacing it with something misleading at best and patently false at worst.

I cannot say why, exactly, the WHO did this. Given the events of the past nine or ten months, however, it is reasonable to assume that politics are at play. Since the beginning of the pandemic, those who have been pushing lockdowns and hysteria over the coronavirus have resisted the idea of natural herd immunity, instead insisting that we must live in lockdown until a vaccine is developed.

That is why the Great Barrington Declaration, written by three of the world’s preeminent epidemiologists and which advocated embracing the phenomenon of herd immunity as a way of protecting the vulnerable and minimizing harms to society, was met with such venom. Now we see the WHO, too, succumbing to political pressure. This is the only rational explanation for changing the definition of herd immunity that has existed for the past century.

The science has not changed; only the politics have. And that is precisely why it is so dangerous and deadly to subject virus management to the forces of politics. Eventually the science too bends to the duplicitous character of the political industry.

When the existing textbooks that students use in college contradict the latest official pronouncements from the authorities during a crisis in which the ruling class is clearly attempting to seize permanent power, we’ve got a problem.

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Editorial addition, January 4, 2021: WHO has changed it definition yet again, to incorporate the obvious reality of natural immunity.

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"There was some recent data that came out from Israel recently showing that if you have the vaccine, you are 6.7 times more likely to be reinfected than if you have had COVID disease itself. So, we would expect that you get better immunity from the disease than you do from the vaccine."

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Harvard Epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff on Vaccine Passports, the Delta Variant, and the COVID ‘Public Health Fiasco’
https://www.theepochtimes.com/harvard-epidemiologist-martin-kulldorff-on-vaccine-passports-the-delta-variant-and-the-covid-public-health-fiasco_3942556.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-08-11&est=nLIyrvctpwgvYoIKs%2FZkMXzK9Ri6WkFtpYWEbv%2FZlFEaZMZYdjaSVeGG5Q%3D%3D
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Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
Tags: Coronavirus Vaccine
David Rosenberg , Jul 13 , 2021 9:24 AM   

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases."

Much more
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
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"Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:
reinfections versus breakthrough infections"

"Conclusions:
This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf
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https://www.worldtribune.com/israel-study-natural-immunity-better-shield-against-delta-variant-than-two-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine/

"Israel study: Natural immunity better shield against Delta variant than two doses of Pfizer vaccine
By Editor Two on September 3, 2021

by WorldTribune Staff, September 3, 2021

Individuals who had a Covid-19 infection are much less likely than never-infected vaccinated people to contract the Delta variant of the virus, according to newly released data out of Israel.

Those with natural immunity from a previous infection are also less likely to develop symptoms or become hospitalized with serious Covid-19.

The Delta variant was 27 times more likely to break through Pfizer protection from January-February and cause symptoms than it was to penetrate natural immunity from the same period, the study, published online on Aug. 25, said.

The vaccine-dependent people had a seven-fold higher chance of symptomatic infection, and a 6.7-fold higher chance of being hospitalized, the study found.

“It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” Charlotte Thalin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital in Stockholm, told Science magazine of the Israeli study, which tracked more than 700,000 individuals.

“That’s right – natural immunity provides more of a shield against Delta than two doses of Pfizer’s vaccine,” The Washington Times noted in a Sept. 2 editorial.

Other studies show similar results to the new research out of Israel.

A Public Health England study released in January found less than 1 percent of 6,614 people who tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies developed reinfection within five months. A Cleveland Clinic study published in June found that not one of the 1,359 unvaccinated people previously infected with Covid-19 contracted the virus. They concluded, “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from Covid-19 vaccination.”

Yet, the Biden administration “wants to frame the debate around the vaccinated and the unvaccinated,” The Washington Times editorial noted. “Instead, they should be talking about the immune and the non-immune. More of an emphasis should be placed on antibody tests.”

[Particularly since vaccination is best at creating asymptomatic super-spreaders.]

Based on California studies, roughly a third to half of Americans who are unvaccinated have natural immunity, according to Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, who has repeatedly pressed the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci to include natural immunity in their herd-immunity calculations and Covid-19 guidance.

“During every month of this pandemic, I’ve had debates with other public researchers about the effectiveness and durability of natural immunity,” Dr. Makary told US News & World Report in August. “I’ve been told that natural immunity could fall off a cliff, rendering people susceptible to infection. But here we are now, over a year and a half into the clinical experience of observing patients who were infected, and natural immunity is effective and going strong. And that’s because, with natural immunity, the body develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus, not just a spike protein constructed from a vaccine.”

The CDC, citing a study of blood donations, said that about twice as many Americans have been infected with the virus as have been officially counted.

The study from 17 blood collection organizations, which tested about 1.4 million samples, found that more than 80 percent of Americans 16 and older have some level of immunity against the coronavirus."


    Shocking!

    CDC and CNN admit that covid infections were underestimated by HALF

    Twice as many people were infected as they had previously thought which means it’s far less lethal than already known.

    https://t.co/FiitE3AFd5

    — Jack Murphy 🇺🇸 ⚔️ (@jackmurphylive) September 3, 2021
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"Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
BMJ 2021; 374 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n2101 (Published 13 September 2021)"
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101
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1:11:58:   
2:10   McCullough  106 studies say natural immunity is complete and durable
2:12   Neurogic, cardiac, immunologic and hematologic
https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/breaking-watch-florida-physicians-summit-livestream
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"Top Doctor Says New CDC Study on Natural Immunity Is 'Highly Flawed'"
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/02/top-doctor-says-new-cdc-study-on-natural-immunity-is-highly-flawed-n2598429
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Reinfections were rare in Qatar. Out of a total of 353,326 individuals with PCR-confirmed infections between February 28, 2020 (the date when the first SARS-CoV-2 case was recorded) and April 28, 2021 (the closing date of the study), only 1,339 reinfections were recorded, that is a percentage of 0.38% (95% CI: 0.36-0.40%). These results are in line with findings of our earlier SARS-CoV-2 reinfection studies in Qatar where the risk of reinfection and the incidence rate of reinfection were estimated to be low and much lower than those of primary infection.
 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc2108120/suppl_file/nejmc2108120_appendix.pdf
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"Should she get the flu shot?"
Fauci: "Well no if she's had the flu for 14 days she is as protected as anybody can be because the best vaccination is to get infected yourself."
Fauci: "The most potent vaccination is getting infected yourself."

To which we would add that once infected, receive early treatment with an effective antiviral multi-drug/nutraceutical protocol, upon the presentation of flu symptoms.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/
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Added 5-27-22 - "New York Times Admits Unvaxxed People Have ‘Lower Rates of Infection And Hospitalization’ Of COVID-19 Than The Vaxxed."
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/27/nyt-admits-unvaccinated-had-lower-covid-infection-rate/
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